hey @TwinkleToes pls let me know if these work; am not sure if these have the "offset" from center/floor you were after (which is why I was asking for the .xmls you had edited )

Hey @TwinkleToes I finished with what I was doing so I take a moment to make you this.

I edited the gun model to use the sentry skeleton, so I works with it's animations. I have attached it all in the rar file. Tell me if it works for you.

Hey @TwinkleToes I finished with what I was doing so I take a moment to make you this.

I edited the gun model to use the sentry skeleton, so I works with it's animations. I have attached it all in the rar file. Tell me if it works for you.

Ah the SKELETON had to be right too! My bad

dw i figured it out

i did my ghetto work around and eventually built it up to a legitimate solution lol
i dont have to do any XML editing, just pure unit file manipulation.
it involves some hidden tricks with GUTS

if anyone wants i can chuck up a quick tutorial.

ill try summarize it as shortly as possible 

i exploited the way the engineers gun bots are "constructed" as a unit
the actual gun bot is made of 2 units stuck together
one is the main body that moves around, its given a caster ai that likes to run around
two is the gun attached on top, thats given an aggressive ai

the way to stick them together is to use these hidden options

   <STRING>ATTACHED_UNIT:[unit name]
this is on the main body, and specifies which unit will be attached, and
   <STRING>ATTACH_BONE:[bone name]
this along with attaches to master, is on the gun, which specifies which bone the gun will be attached to, in this case its the head bone of the main body

with this new found information
first i created an invisible unit to serve as a main body, this was also done in a particular way, i didnt use the unit invisible effect, instead i cloned a unit file and stripped it down to just an idle and bind animation, then edited the dds file it uses to mask the entire models alpha channel and make it invisible, if i used the other method the attached units would also become invisible.

i can use any model with two arms as a good basis, by attaching a unit to the arms of the invisible main body and i can scale the size model via its unit file to effectively increase the distance of where the attached unit will float around

but... you can only attach one unit to another, so i simply cloned the unit again and made my skill summon another main body with a unit attached on the other hand.

so basically i have two invisible units attached to me, with visible units attached to them, one has a visible unit attached to the right hand and the other on the left hand.

the result is awesome! lol.

the attached units inherit their damage from the main body, if the damage they deal is set to 0.
one limitation though, is that skills used by the attached units cannot be used with the "use master for attacks" option
but there are ways to circumvent that and make the minions damage scale with your own.

Hey Twinkle. I think you need a flying turret. Something like that:

Youre attaching them to units with just bind and idle animations right? What if the idle anim was kinda "floaty" like the estherian shade?